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Clothing materials (Jim Carson carson@mu.rice.edu)
[Ed note: From a summary Jim posted]
Polarlite
Fluffy, fleecy stuff also called Polarplus and Synchilla. Comfortable.
Incredibly warm, especially under something that breaks the wind.
Doesn't wick moisture out very well. Breathes very well.
Supplex (nylon)
Comfortable. It is breathable and water repellent (but NOT water proof).
Seems to absorb a small amount of water if it is really getting drenched
Merino (wool)
From a "breed of fine-wooled white sheep originating in Spain and producing
a heavy fleece of exceptional quality." I guess you could treat this as
normal 100% wool.
Thermax
An improvement on Polypro. The big advantage is heat resistance so
you can put it in the dryer. Balance that against the extra cost.
CoolMax
This stuff seems more like a plastic bag than the revolutionary wicking
material it is advertised as.
Dacron
Trademark name for Dupont polyester. Woven fabric made from dacron is
similar to nylon ripstop or taffeta, but not as stretchy. Many of the
better clothing insulations are made from dacron. They are usually refered
to by more specific trademark names, like quallofil, hollofil, polarguard,
and dacron-88.
Lycra
Used for its stretch, mostly a warm weather (>65 degrees) thing.
GoreTex
A teflon based membrane with microscopic holes. Gortex's claim to
fame is that it will let water vapor (from perspiration) through, but
not liquid water (rain). It blocks wind fairly well too. The
membrane is delicate, so it always comes laminated between 2 layers of
other material. It does not breathe enough. There are less expensive
alternatives.
Polypropylene
Does not wick very well. Can be uncomfortable. Troublesome to
care for (e.g. can pill badly) Will keep you fairly warm if soaked.
Not very wind resistant. Melts in the dryer.
Capilene
Wicks moisture away. Very comfortable. Comes in different weights
for more/less warmth. [lots of favorable things about it... only
really unfavorable thing is the co$t]
60/40 cloth -
This is a cloth with nylon threads running one direction, cotton in
the other. It was the standard wind parka material before Goretex came
along, and is considerably less expensive. Good wind resistance,
fairly breathable. Somewhat water resistant, especially if you spray
it with Scotchguard, but won't hold up to a heavy rain.
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Seats
Seats are a very personal thing, for obvious reasons. There are several
types of seats:
Leather
Seats like the Brooks models. Usually used by hard-core riders. Requires
breaking in before it's really comfortable.
Padded
The usual bike seat, sometimes refered to as "anatomic". Has padding
where your "sit bones" (bottom of pelvis) supposed to rest.
Gel
Like the padded seats, except they have a gel (e.g. Spenco Gel) in them
for additional padding. Reportedly, the gel can harden and/or shift,
making the seat uncomfortable.
There are several types of seat pads (gel filled, containing an air bladder,
etc) that can be fitted over the seat to make it more comfortable.
If you are experiencing pain in delicate areas (especially you women readers)
you should make sure your seat is adjusted correctly (see the section on
seat adjustment). Women may need a women's type seat, which is wider in
the back (women's sit bones are farther apart than men's). Most pain
can be eliminated by a correctly adjusted seat, using a women's seat,
and riding so your body becomes used to it.
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Women's Saddles (Pamela Blalock pamela@keps.kodak.com)
Many women who cycle have experienced frustration with trying to find
a comfortable saddle. It is amazing how many times I end up talking
with other women about saddles. This article comes from those
discussions and an informal survey of woman's saddle preferences. This
is a dynamic article and changes on occassion, so if you have comments
please contact me (pamela@keps.com) and I will incorporate your
comments.
While this is intended to be an article on women's saddles, since so
many other things can contribute to potential saddle pain, it will
also address some of these issues as well.
Just as women are different from men, we are also different from each
other. Since (fortunately) there is no mold into which we were all
poured, what works for one woman may not work for another.
First, be sure that your bike fits properly. Many women end up with
overly padded shorts and a big fat thickly padded saddle instead of
with a bike that fits properly. No saddle will be comfortable if the
bike is too big, or set up incorrectly. It is important to find
someone who knows about fit and specifically about women's fit and get
the bike set up properly before making other changes. In addition to
being more comfortable, a bike that really fits will also handle
better than one that is improperly sized. It isn't always easy to find
someone willing to take the time, but when you find a shop that will,
give them lots of business and send your friends there! Go to shops
during non-prime hours for the best service. You won't get a salesman
to spend an hour letting you try different saddles on a Saturday
afternoon, but you might on a Tuesday morning.
Most production bikes are built proportionally for the average MAN.
Using the old guidelines of sizing a bike by straddling the top tube
may leave you a bike with a top tube that is too long, since most
women have proportinally longer legs and shorter torsoes.
Surprisingly, this can cause saddle pain. It is not necessary to run
out and buy a new bike right away if the top tube on your current bike
is too long. Using a shorter stem on a this bike may give you a more
comfortable reach. Very short stems, less than 40 mm, are available,
but may have to be specially ordered.
Some shops use a fitting system called the Fit Kit. The numbers
generated from the Fit Kit are just guidelines and may not work for
everybody, especially women. It is important to RIDE your bike and
make adjustments to achieve a perfect fit. Others may use an
infinitely adjustable stationary bike. One has been developed by Ben
Serotta to help choose the perfect size bike - whether it is a Serotta
or not. Adjustable stems are available to help you and the shop pick a
perfect length stem the first time. Unless your current bike is a
really, really poor fit, you should be able to make a few relatively
inexpensive changes to improve the fit. Then when upgrading or buying
a new bike, use what you have learned to buy a bike that fits better.
Several manufacturers have started building bikes proportionally sized
for women to specifically address our needs. For petite women, these
bikes may have a smaller front wheel to get the shorter top tube, but
not all women's bikes have a 24" front wheel. Some have two 26" or
700C wheels, depending on size and geometry. A sloping top tube is now
being used by many manufacturers to achieve a shorter effective top
tube without going to smaller wheels. In addition to a shorter top
tube, women's bikes may also have smaller brake levers, narrower
handlebars, shorter cranks and wider saddles. Georgena Terry was the
pioneer in this area, but many other manufacturers now build women's
bikes. They may cost a little more than a comparably equipped man's
bike, due to higher production costs for fewer number of parts. But,
I believe that the extra initial cost to get a properly fit bike will
pay off in the long run, since you will either stop riding an
uncomfortable or poorly fitting bike, or you will eventually replace
the poorly fitting parts at additional cost. You don't have to buy a
women's bike though. Taller women may select a frame with a little
shorter seat tube, and therefore a proportinally shorter top tube.
(This obviously won't work if you are already on the smallest size
frame!) Of course, as I said earlier, we are all different and some
women may not need any special adjustments made to their non-custom
off-the-shelf bikes. But they are the lucky few!
And I would be completely negligent if I didn't mention that one
respondent said that recumbents almost always solve the uncomfortable
saddle problem. (Thanks to David Wittenberg for pointing this out.
His wife won't ride anything else.)
Now to saddles. A woman's hip bones tend to be set farther apart than
a man's. (This is a design feature to help with childbirth!) Every
woman is different, and there are many women out there with narrower
hip bones. To determine where you sit bones are, sit on a low curb.
Sorry, a chair won't do! When you sit on the curb, you will be able to
feel your sit bones. This is what you want supported by your bike
saddle. Avocet used to (and maybe still does) run a great ad showing a
hip bone sitting on a saddle. With a saddle that's too narrow, a
woman may find herself effectively straddling it with her hip bones,
or slipping off of one side and pinching nerves - which may eventually
cause the legs or feet to go numb. A saddle that's too wide will also
cause problems.
A saddle that's slightly wider in the back (than the man's saddle that
comes on most stock bikes) may offer better support for the sit bones.
I have quite a few retired women's saddles with depressed gel
indicating exactly where my bones are. Actually, looking at your old
saddle will tell you a lot about where you do and do not need support!
It's important to try out several different saddles to find one that
fits. Unfortunately no one manufacturer makes different sized women's
saddles - but the widths do vary from manufacturer to manufacturer -
so for example, if the Terry is too wide or too narrow, try the Vetta
or Avocet or some other brand. Ask your local dealer to let you put
your bike on a trainer in the shop and try sitting on and riding a few
of his saddles. Saddles are fairly easy to change and a good shop
should be willing to let you try this. (But not on a busy Saturday
afternoon!)
There are several women's saddles on the market, many of which are
made with some form of gel. I have used (and retired) several of these
with no complaints. The gel does compress after a while (regardless of
sex), so these saddles do have to be replaced (for me it's every
10,000 miles). Brooks also has a women's leather saddle, which some
women swear by. I swear at them, but that's me! (And there are women
who swear at the saddles I swear by!)
Many women who responded to my survey said that they have the nose of
their saddle tilted slightly forward to alleviate pressure on the soft
tissue. A large variety of saddles were used with this method. One
rider pointed out that having a seatpost with infinitely adjustable
angles, like the American Classic or Control Tech, will help one to
find the perfect angle. With the rachet type adjustment of most, she
was never able to get the angle quite right. One problem with having
the saddle tilted too far forward is that you may end up with two much
weight/pressure on your wrists and hands. The result is numb hands and
pain in the lower back.
In John Forester's "Effective Cycling" book, he suggests getting a
cheap plastic saddle and carving out a depression in the area where
the labia would normally rest. This would place the weight on the sit
bones where it belongs, and remove it from the genital area, where it
does not. A couple of women used this idea and modified saddle pads in
this way. I watched a Spenco pad slowly get modified in this way each
day throughout PAC Tour this year. One survey respondent cut up a
neoprene pad and put it under the covering of her Flite saddle.
There are two women's saddles which specifically address this issue,
the Terry Sport and the Miyata Pavea. Both are shorter and wider
than the typical man's saddle and both have a hole in the nose to
suspend soft tissue. These saddles should be comfortable when level.
The Miyata leaves the hole exposed, while the Terry is covered in an
open-cell low-density foam. I understand there is a saddle available
now that is split up the middle and hinged in the front, so you can
adjust it for your desired width. I'll update the article as soon as I
can get my butt on one! But I did hear from a friend of a friend that
had one and really liked it.
I have used both the Terry and the Miyata. (These were the two most
popular saddles in the survey.) I've received lots of positive
comments from women (and men) about their experiences with these
saddles. The men seem to notice the difference more after the ride
later in the evening :) :) :)
Last year I did a 750 mile ride on the back of a tandem in less than 4
days. That's a lot of time on a saddle. I'd been using the Terry for
over 6 months and it worked great on everything up to 200 miles. But
400 miles into the trip, I was ready to rip the foam out of the hole.
Once the swelling started, the presence of the foam became unbearable.
Even though there was no plastic shell underneath, there was still
something! I asked our crew person to see if he could find the Miyata
saddle. It's often quite difficult to find women's products, and I was
almost shocked when he showed up 20 miles later with this wonderful
saddle with an exposed hole. He had found the Miyata. The difference
was immediately noticeable. I probably would have finished the ride
without it, but I wouldn't have been in a good mood for days! The
Miyata is a little harder under the sit bones than the Terry, but
that's not where I was experiencing pain. Of course the saddle is
different looking and draws lots of comments and sexual innuendos, but
it saved my ride. A year and 12,000 miles later, including PAC Tour
(24 days straight, 140 miles average a day), I still love my Miyata
and won't ride anything else.
Not all women like the wider saddles. Some women find all women's
saddles too wide. Several women responded to the survey saying they
prefer a man's saddle. Some of these even felt they had wide hip
bones. For those who use a narrow saddle, finding one that was flat
on top seemed to help with the above mentioned problems. Others who
liked various women's saddles still found them a little thick in the
middle, even if they were the right width in the back. Someday, maybe
we will see women's saddles in various widths. We must create the
demand though.
Terry does makes a men's version of their Sport saddle. It is narrower
and has a longer nose and hole than the women's model. It also doesn't
say Terry on it anywhere. Instead it is marketed under the initials
TFI. Both this saddle and new models of the Sport have a (politically
correct) simulated leather covering. I know of several men who really
like this saddle, especially when using aero-bars. Women who find the
Terry Sport too wide may want to check this one out.
I've seen Terry saddles change a bit over the past couple of years.
One change is from a lycra cover to a simulated leather cover. Some
women didn't like the feel of the lycra. (I do.) Another women
noticed after replacing a stolen one with a new one that the foam in
the hole seems to be getting firmer, kind of negating the benefit of
the hole. Terry does offer a 30 day money back guarantee on their
products, so you can *painlessly* decide if you'd like a Terry saddle
or not.
They have also produced a couple of racing saddles. The first was the
same width in the back as their Sport model, but narrower through the
middle and had titanium rails. I was one of the lucky few to get one
of these. They replaced it with a Flite lookalike with holes drilled
in the nose. I tried one of these and must say for me it was the most
uncomfortable thing I ever came into contact with. But if you can
tolerate a Flite, it might work for you.
Speaking of which, many women do LIKE Flite and other really narrow
saddles. I know that at their cycling camps, Betsy King and Anna
Schwartz get many women on them. They stress the flexibility of the
saddle with it's titanium rails and thin shell. They are very good for
mountain biking where you want to slide off the back of the saddle for
balance where a wide saddle would get in the way. I even know of a few
women who use them for distance cycling. Two women used them on the
PAC Tour I was on, but they had very narrow set hip bones. The other
15 women had women's models of one type or another, including Terry,
Brooks and of course I had a Miyata.
Other suggestions for improved saddle comfort included trying
different shorts. There are a lot of different shorts out there - far
more than saddles and just like saddles, they all fit differently.
The common theme from most women was to stay away from shorts with
seams in the center. This includes seams in the lycra as well as the
chamois (good luck!). On multiday rides, you may want to use different
brands of shorts, since having the seam in the same place day after
day may also cause irritation. Shorts that bunch up in front may cause
also discomfort.
Pearl Izumi and Urbanek make very nice women's shorts. And of course
Terry produces women's shorts. Some have fuller hips, longer legs,
wider elastic leg grippers, etc. I really prefer bib or one piece
suits, since there is no binding elastic at the waist. These are less
convenient for quick bathroom stops, but I prefer the added comfort.
Some women like longer legs, some shorter. Some prefer thick chamois,
some fake, some real. Try on as many different types as you can,
until you find one that fits you the best. Women are even more varied
on their opinions about shorts than on saddles, so just keep trying
new ones until you find the perfect pair for you.
(And while on the subject of saddle comfort, I use a combination of
Desitin (or some other diaper rash ointment) and powder sprinkled
liberally in my shorts to keep myself dry and rash-free.)
I can't stress enough that each woman is different and no one saddle
is perfect for all of us. Just because a local or national racer, or
your friend, or this author uses a particular type of saddle doesn't
mean that it will work for you. Don't let anyone intimidate you into
riding something that is uncomfortable, or changing the angle of your
saddle because it's different. Use the setup that's most comfortable
for you.
Among the saddles recommended by respondents were
Terry Women's (most popular of the survey)
Miyata Pavea (my favorite and a close second in the survey)
TFI (men's version of the Terry Sport)
women's Selle Italia Turbo
Avocet O2 (said to be as comfy as the above Turbo, but lighter)
WaveFlo
Avocet Women's Racing saddle
Viscount saddle
San Marco Regal
Brooks B-17
Brooks Pro
Flite
Terry Racing (like a Flite with holes drilled in the plastic)
(Of course some women swear at saddles that others swear by! Did I
mention that we are all DIFFERENT?)
Specialty women's products are available through The Womyn's Wheel,
1-800-795-RIDE, or hopefully at your local bike shop - just keep
asking them!!
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Women's Bikes (Lynn Karamanos karamano@esd.dl.nec.com)
Here's a summary of the info I received on whether or not to
purchase a Terry bike.
1.) First, find a good bike shop, one that will try to find a bike
that fits you, not just sell you what they have in stock.
2.) Ride many different bikes to see what's best for you. You may be
able to find other bikes that fit just as well as a Terry once
you've made some adjustments/replacements (stem, crank arms, etc.).
3.) If you can't find any other bike to fit you, then a Terry's
worth the extra money.
4.) Except for about two people who sent me email, everyone who's
ridden a Terry has loved it. Even those two people said they knew
others who loved Terry bikes. Bottom line: the fit depends on your
build. Women with long legs/short torso seem to be the ones who like
them, not necessarily just short women.
5.) Also a few people mentioned that there are other road bikes that
are specifically "designed for women" or that fit women well. The
names mentioned: Fuji, Miyata, Bridgestone, Specialized (Sirrus).
Also, someone mentioned that the same production line in Japan that
makes Terry "proportioned" bikes also makes them under other labels.
(Also one mountain bike was named, Mongoose Hilltopper, and two
hybred bikes, Univega Via Activa and Giant Inova.)
6.) Something to keep in mind if you buy a Terry with a small front
wheel... replacement tubes and tires for smaller wheels could be
more difficult to find and/or more expensive.
7.) In case you're looking at older model Terry's, a few people
mentioned that until a couple years ago, some Terry bikes were
$200-$300 less than they are now.
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Bike Rentals (Various people)
Lincoln Guide Service
Lincoln Center
Lincoln, MA
(617) 259-9204
Rents mountain, road, kids bikes, and trailers. About 11 miles west of
Boston, within sight of Lincoln Center commuter rail stop.
Team Bicycle Rentals
508 Main
Huntington Beach, CA
(714) 969-5480
12spd $29/day, MTB $29/day, Santana tandem $69
Gregg's Greenlake
Seattle, WA
Second Gear
Seattle, WA
New York City Area:
All phone numbers are area code (212).
A West Side Bicycle Store -- 231 W 96th St -- 663 7531
Eddie's Bicycles Shop -- 490 Amsterdam Ave -- 580 2011
Country Cycling Tours -- 140 W 83rd St -- 874 5151
AAA Central Park Bicycle Rentals -- 72nd St/ Central Pk Boathouse -- 861 4137
Midtown Bicycles -- 360 W 47th St -- 581 4500
Sixth Avenue Bicycles -- 546 Avenue of the Americas -- 255 5100
Metro Bicycle -- 1311 Lexington Ave -- 427 4450
Larry and Jeff's Bicycles Plus -- 204 E 85th St -- 794 2201
Gene's 79th Street Discounted Bicycles -- 242 E 79th St -- 249 9218
Peddle Pusher Bicycle Shop -- 1306 2nd Ave -- 288 5594
A Bicycle Discount House -- 332 E 14th St -- 228 4344
City Cycles -- 659 Broadway -- 254 4457
San Francisco
Park Cyclery -- 1865 Haight street (at Stanyan) -- 751-RENT
Start to Finish -- 599 2nd Street at Brannan -- 861-4004
Marin County, CA
Caesars Cyclery -- 29 San Anselmo Ave San Anselmo -- 258-9920
Far-go bike Shop -- 194 Northgate #1 Shopping Center San Rafael -- 472-0253
Ken's Bike and Sport -- 94 Main Street (Downtown Tiburon) -- 435-1683
Wheel Escapes -- 1000 Magnolia Ave Larkspur -- 461-6903
Austing, TX area
[all stores rent ONLY mountain bikes]
Bicycle Sport Shop -- 1426 Toomey Road -- (512) 477-3472
University Schwinn -- 2901 N. Lamar Blvd -- (512) 474-6696
University Schwinn -- 1542 W. Anderson Ln -- (512) 474-6696
Velotex Inc -- 908-B W 12th St -- (512) 322-9131
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Bike Lockers (David H. Wolfskill david@dhw68k.cts.com)
Many thanks to all who mailed or posted an interest in my quest for
information regarding bike locker vendors; I apologize for the delay in
posting this summary.
My colleague -- thanks to some of that information -- was able to locate
a sufficiently nearby vendor... one of the requirements of which I had
not been aware was that the vendor must be fairly close (to Orange
County, CA) -- to minimize shipping charges. (I apologize for failing
to determine this issue before posting, and hope that some of the
information about other vendors may be of value to others.)
I figured it would be more useful for me to organize the information,
so I have done so -- at the expense of making an attempt to give credit
for the sources at the point the information is quoted. (I include a
list of sources at the end of the article.)
First, I received a few pointers to one Ellen Fletcher, such as:
>For a comprehensive treatment of the bicycle parking subject,
>along with a list of vendors & prices, contact Ellen Fletcher
>at cdp!scvba@labrea.stanford.edu (put "ATTN ELLEN" in your
>"To" line.
[I requested clarification regarding addressing a note to Ms. Fletcher,
but have yet to receive it.]
>... Ellen Fletcher, 777-108 San Antonio Road, Palo Alto, CA
>94303-4826, 415-495-8943.
Fortunately, someone sent a list of products & manufacturers,
apparently originally compiled by Ms. Fletcher. I have taken the
liberty of using that list as a "base document" and have augmented it
with other information I received; entries are alphabetically by
munufacturer's name, since I don't always have product names:
(Manufacturer, {Product Name(s)}, Address, Contact Person, Phone, FAX
[comments])
American Bicycle Security Co., {BIKE SAFE}, PO Box 7359 Ventura, CA
93006, Thomas E. Volk, 805-933-3688 & 800-BIKESAF, 805-933-1865.
Bike Lockers Company, {BikeLokr}, PO Box 445 W. Sacramento, CA 95691,,
916-372-6620, 916-372-3616 [approx. $300/locker, small
quantities].
Bike-Lokr Mfg. Co., {?}, PO Box 123, Joplin, MO 64802, Jim Snyder,
417-673-1960/800-462-4049, 417-673-3642 [approx $450/locker,
which holds 2 bikes; seem to be the lockers used by the
Washington, DC Metro system]
Bike Security Racks Co., {?}, PO Box 371, Cambridge, MA 02140,,
617-547-5755, -
Bike Stable Co., Inc., {?}, PO 1402, South Bend, Indiana 46624,,
219-233-7060, -
Cycle-Safe Inc., 2772-5 Woodlake Rd. SW Wyoming, MI 49509,,
(616)538-0079 -
David O'Keefe Company, {Super Secure Bike Stor}, P.O. Box 4457, Alamo,
CA 94507, Thomas & David O'Keefe, 415-637-4440, 415-837-6234.
General Machine company, {Bicycle Locker}, PO Box 405 Vacaville, CA 95696,
Vitto Accardi, 707-446-2761, -
J.G.Wilson Corp, {Park'n'Lock Bike Garage}, PO Box 599, Norfolk, VA
23501-0599, J.L.Bevan, 804-545-8341, 804-543-3249.
Sunshine U-LOK Corp., {Secura Bike Locker}, 31316 Via Colinas Suite 102,
Westlake Village, CA 91362, Doug Devine, 818-707-0110.
[Specific information near the end of the article -- dhw.]
Turtle Storage Ltd., {?}, P. O. Box 7359, Ventura, CA 93006,,, -
[Ed. note: The complete posting is available in the archives on
draco.acs.uci.edu.]
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Bike computer features
[This table was created from information contained in Performance and Nashbar
catalogs. In the table below, 'Y' means that the computer has the feature,
'O' means it is an optional feature.]
Speed Ave Max Total Trip Elpsd Clock Auto Count
Speed Speed Miles Miles Time OnOff Down
Avocet 30 Y Y Y Y Y Y
Avocet 40 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Avocet 50 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Cateye Micro Y Y Y Y Y Y
Cateye Mity Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Cateye Mity 2 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Cateye Wireless Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Cateye Vectra Y Y Y Y Y Y
Cateye ATC Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Ciclo 37 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Ciclo IIA Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Performance ITV Y Y Y Y Y Y
Vetta Innovator Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Vetta HR1000 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Vetta C-10 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Vetta C-15 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Vetta C-20 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Vetta Two Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Vetta Wireless Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Specialized Y Y Y Y Y Y Y S
Speed Zone
Cadence Wireless Altitude Heart
Rate
Avocet 30
Avocet 40
Avocet 50 O Y
Cateye Micro Y
Cateye Mity
Cateye Mity 2
Cateye Wireless Y
Cateye Vectra
Cateye ATC
Ciclo 37
Ciclo IIA O O O
Performance ITV
Vetta Innovator
Vetta HR1000 Y
Vetta C-10
Vetta C-15
Vetta C-20 Y
Vetta Two Y
Vetta Wireless Y
Specialized
Speed Zone
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Recumbent Bike Info (David Wittenberg dkw@cs.brandeis.edu)
(updated by Gary Walsh gary.walsh@canrem.com)
Here's my standard response to questions about recumbents. I'd be
happy to answer more specific questions.
Here's some info I posted in the fall of 1990. I think it's still pretty much
up to date. Changes from the last posting are in []'s.
--David Wittenberg
A few words about recumbent design, and then I'll provide a much
larger list of recumbent manufacturers.
There are three main choices in designing (or buying) a recumbent.
Frame material -- all the ones I know of are either Alumninum or Steel.
Wheelbase -- The front wheel can either be in front of the bottom bracket
(long wheelbase) or behind it (short wheelbase). You can't have a medium
wheelbase without a lot of extra work because the wheel and the bottom
bracket would interfere with each other. Long wheelbase is reputed to
be a bit more stable, while short wheelbase machines are often easier to
fit into cars for transport. Some long wheelbase recumbents fold in
neat ways to fit into a remarkably small space.
Handlebars -- under seat or in front of the rider. Under seat is probably
a more comfortable position when you get used to it (your hands just hang
at your sides), and may be somewhat safer if you get thrown forward as
there is nothing in front of you. High handlebars are somewhat faster
as your arms are in front of you instead of at your side, thus reducing
the frontal area. Some people find them more natural.
[There are long wheelbase bikes with both high and low handlebars. I don't
know of any short wheelbase, low handlebar recumbents, but there may
be some I don't know of.]
The following updated by Gary Walsh (gary.walsh@canrem.com) July 1992.
There are a couple of interesting publications for recumbents:
International Human Powered Vehicle Association
P.O. Box 51255
Indianapolis, IN 46251 USA
They publish Human Power Magazine and HPV News on all aspects of human
powered transportation (bikes, aircraft, watercraft.)
Dues are US$25/year in the U.S., Canada, and Mexico, and US$30 elsewhere.
The Recumbent Bicycle Club of America/Recumbent Cyclist Magazine
PO Box 58755
Renton, WA 98058-1755.
(206) 852-8149
The best source of information on commercially available recumbents. Read
the reviews in this magazine before you buy your first recumbent.
Subscriptions are US$25 in the U.S.A., and US$30/year elsewhere. Sample
issue and info pack $5. See especially the buyers guide in issue #8
Oct-Dec 1992.
Addresses of recumbent manufacturers:
Ace Tool & Engineering (Infinity Recumbent) $1 for a flyer
P.O Box 325
292 W. Harrison St.
Mooresville, IN 46158
(317) 831-8798 Long wheelbase, low handlebars, aluminum frames.
$499 + $85 for triple crank option.
Information $1.
Alternative Bikestyles
P.O. Box 1344
Bonita, CA 91908
Phone (619)421-5118 Maverick $ Renegade LWB recumbents with upright
handlebars. Framesets from $200. Complete bikes
from $395.
Advanced Transportation Products
550 3rd Ave. N.
Edmonds, WA 98020
Phone (206)771-3719 R-20 SWB. $1350. Info pack $2.
Angle Lake Cyclery
20840 Pacific Hwy S.
Seattle WA 98198
Phone (206)878-7457 Counterpoint Presto SWB with upright handlebars.
Presto SE Tour $1699.
Presto SE High Performance $???.
Presto CL $1399.
Counterpoint Opus IV Tandem
Opus CL $2999
Opus SE $3599
Tri Com Trikes $600-$700.
Catalogue $2
Original Car-Cycle Technology
1311 Victoria Ave.
Victoria, B.C.,
Canada V8S 4P4
Phone (604)598-7830 Fully fared commuter trike. Under development.
DH Recumbents, Inc.
4007-G Bellaire Blvd.
Houston, TX 77025
Phone (713)666-4452 LWB with upright steering.
DH1000 $999, DH5000 $1395.
Earth Traveller
1475 Lillian St.
Livermore, CA 94550
Phone (415)449-8312 LWB trike with 2 wheels in back.
Information $1.
EcoCycle
Earth Friendly Transportation
5755 NW Fair Oaks Dr.
Corvallis, OR 97330
(503) 753-5178 The Trice is a recumbent tricycle, with
two wheels in front. Touring $1495.
Speed model $1595.
Also imports Ross recumbent from England.
$2 for flyer, $9 for video tape.
Easy Racers, Inc
Box 255H
Freedom, CA 95019
(408) 722-9797 High handlebar, long wheelbase bikes.
Easy Racer $2300. Frameset $1650.
Gold Rush Replica, commercial version of
the Dupont prize winning Gold Rush (world's
fastest bike) also available.
$2 for a catalog
Lightning Cycle Dynamics
312 Ninth Street
Lompoc, CA 93436
(805) 736-0700 P-38 Short Wheelbase, high handlebars.
Full fairings are available, and very
fast. $1750.
F-40 fully fared version.
Lightning Cycle Inc. (Tailwind) $1 for a brochure
3819 Rte. 295
Swanton, OH 43558
(419) 826-4056 Steel long wheelbase, underseat steering.
Around $1200.
Linear Manufacturing Inc. (Linear)
Route 1, Box 173
Guttenberg, IA 52052
(319) 252-1637 Long Wheelbase aluminum bike with either
high or low handlebars (You can convert
from one to the other.) $900 to $1200.
They sell through dealers, and if you
get in touch with them they'll tell you
where the nearest dealer is. Canadians
see S.C. Safety Cycle below.
Rans Recumbents
1104 E. Hwy. 40 Bypass
Hays, KS 67601
(913) 625-6346 Rans Stratus A & B and Nimbus. LWB with
upright handlebars. $995-$1495.
ReBike
P.O Box 725
Boca Raton, FL 33429
Phone (407)750-1304 The ReBike. A low priced semi-recumbent
with upright steering. New and a big seller.
$389.
Rotator
915 Middle Rincon Rd.
Santa Rosa, CA 95409
(707) 539-4203 Rotator Super-7 Streamliner - LWB with 20" wheels.
Rotator Companion Tandem.
Rhoades International
100 Rhoades Lane
Hendersonville, TN 37075
Phone (615)822-2737 4-wheel pedal car. $999 and up.
Information $4. Video $19.
Ryan Recumbents, Inc.
3910 Stewart Rd., Unit F
Eugene, Or 97402
(503)485-6674 Vanguard. Long wheelbase, underseat steering.
From $1295.
S.C. Safety Cycle Inc.
1340B St. Paul St.
Kelowna, B.C.
Canada V1Y 2E1 Canadian distributor of the Linear which is
sold as "The Alternative." CAN$1495.
Special Purpose Vehicles
120 Prospect Street
Somerville, MA 02143
(617) 625-9030
Thebis International
110-2031 Malaview Ave.
Sidney, B.C.
Canada V8L 3X9
Phone (604)656-1237
1-800-667-6801 Thebis 201 Touring Trike. Two wheels in back.
$2990.
Trailmate
2359 Trailmate Dr.
Sarasota FL 34243
Phone (813)755-5511 Fun Cycle and Bannana Peel trikes. $399.
Turner Enterprises
P.O.Box 36158
Los Angeles, CA 90036
Phone (383)-0030 SWB with underseat steering.
Laid Back "E" frame kit $375.
LB-2000 $1500. Frameset $899.
Zzip Designs
P.O. Box 14
Davenport, CA 95017
Phone (408)425-8650 Manufacturer of fairings for many of the
bikes listed above.
Cyclopedia
P.O. Box 884
Adrian, MI 49221
1-800-678-1021 Good source for parts for builders.
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European Recumbents
Leitra APS
PO Box 64 DK-2750
Ballerup, Denmark Leitra M2 fully fared commuter trike.
3400 DM for the trike.
5845 DM for complete vehicle with accessories.
Bas Ten Brinke
Postbus 10075
1301 Almere,
Netherlands Flevo SWB front wheel drive.
Fateba, Bachman & Co.
Rosenstr. 9,
8400 Winterthur
Switzerland Fateba Winglet L1 LWB.
Kincycle
Miles Kingsbury
Lane End Road, Sands,
High Wycombe, Bucks
HP12 4JQ England The Kingcycle SWB.
M5
Bram Moens
Waalstraat 41,
NL-4335 KL
Middleburg, Netherlands. M5 SWB.
Neatwork
The Lees Stables
Coldstream, Berwickshire,
Scotland TD12-4NN Dealer for Kingcycle SWB and Radius
Peer Gynt LWB.
Radius-Spezialrader,
Frie-Vendt-Str 16, D-4400
Munster, Germany RFA Peer Gynt LWB with underseat steering.
More Recumbent Bike Info (Gary Walsh gary.walsh@canrem.com)
[This has been copied from a flyer written by Robert Bryant of the
Recumbent Cyclist Magazine. He has given me permission to submit
it for the FAQ. - Gary]
Have You Ever Considered a RECUMBENT BICYCLE?
WHY RECUMBENT BICYCLES?
There are many reasons to consider a recumbent. First and foremost
is comfort. When you ride a recumbent bicycle you will no longer have
an aching back, stiff neck, numb wrists or a sore a sore bottom. You
will sit in a relaxed easy-chair position. You will be able to ride
longer with less fatigue and arrive at your destination feeling
refreshed. The recumbent position offerd you a great view of the
countryside. While seated you will look straight ahead. This allows your
lungs and chest more open and free breathing. Recumbents are very
versatile machines. They can be used for a wide range of applications:
recreational/sport riding, for the daily commute, a fast double century
and they are great for long distance touring.
RECUMBENT PERFORMANCE
Recumbents hold all of the human-powered speed records. This is
because they are aerodynamically superior to conventional bicycles;
less frontal area means less wind resistance. The Lightning F-40
currently holds the Race Across America speed record of five days and
one hour. Gardner Martin's Easy Racer Gold Rush, ridden by Fast Freddie
Markham, was the winner of the Dupont Prize for breaking 65mph. You
can currently buy production versions of these bicycles. Fairings for
street use are common and optional equipment on most commercially built
models. They protect you from rain, cold and wind, with up to a 30%
reduction in drag. Commercially available recumbents are not always
faster than conventional bicycles. It depends mainly on the individual
rider. Your best bet is to do you homework and if your goal is
performance and speed, be sure that you look for a recumbent designed
for this purpose.
COMMONLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT RECUMBENT BICYCLES
1) Do recumbents climb hills well? Yes they do, although climbing on a
recumbent requires a different technique, you must gear down and spin.
Maintaining an efficient spin takes some practice & conditioning, once
mastered, it takes less physical effort to climb hills. Depending on
your riding style, your speeds can range from slowwer to even faster
than on a conventional bicycle.
2) Can recumbents be seen in traffic? Recumbents with a higher seating
position may be better suited for riding in traffic than some of the
low-slung designs. The use of use of proper safety devices such as
safety flags and reflective devices is recommended. Recumbent bicycles
are different, futuristic and they get noticed. Many riders feel they
get more respect from motorists while on their recumbents.
3) Are they safe? Recumbent's are safer than a conventional bicycle.
Due to the low centre of gravity, they stop faster. Brakes can be
evenly applied to both wheels simultaneously providing more traction
without throwing the rider over the handlebars. In crash situations,
the rider goes down to the side absorbing the impact with the hip and
leg rather than flying over the handlebars and absorbing the impact on
your head and shoulder. Straight ahead vision is also better on a
recumbent, however, rear view mirrors are necessary for proper
rearward
vision.
RECUMBENT PAST HISTORY
Why are recumbents such a rare sight? Space age technology? New
type of bicycle? Not really, recumbent bicycles actually go back as
far as the mid to late 1800's with the Macmillan Velocopede and the
Challand Recumbent. In the 1930's, a series of events took place that
changed bicycling history. A French second category professional
track cyclist named Francois Faure rode the Velocar, a two wheeled
recumbent bicycle designed and built by Charles Mochet, to
record-shattering speeds, breaking both the mile and kilometre records
of the day. This created a storm of controversy within the U.C.I.
(United Cycliste International), bicycle rating's governing body. The
debate centred on whether the Velocar was a bicycle and were these
records legal? In 1934 they ruled against the Mochet-Faure record,
banning recumbent bicycles and aerodynamic devices from racing. Were
U.C.I. members worried that the recumbent bicycle would displace the
conventional design? Did they realize this would freeze bicycle and
human-powered vehicle development for the next forty years? This is
why bicycles of taday look very similar to the Starkey and Sutton
Safety (upright/conventional) of 1885. Just think where bicycle
technology would be today if the U.C.I. decision had gone the opposite
way.
MODERN RECUMBENT HISTORY
Recumbent development was fairly quiet until the late 1960's. Dan
Henry received some media attention for his long wheelbase design in
1968. In the early 1970's, the human-powered revolution was starting up
on both the U.S. east coast by David Gordon, designer of the Avatar, and
on the west coast by Chester Kyle. These pioneers recognized the need
for further development of human-powered vehicles. In the late 1970's
and early 1980's, this lead to the first commercial recumbent bicycle
designs such as the Avatar, Easy Racer and Hypercycle. In 1990, the
Recumbent Bicycle Club of America was founded by Dick Ryan who currently
manufactures the Ryan Vanguard and was also involved with the Avatar
project in the early 1980's. In 1988 recumbent promoter Robert Bryant
got his start writing "Recumbent Ramblings," a column for "HPV News."
In the summer of 1990, Robert founded the "Recumbent Cyclist Magazine,"
and in a short two years, RCM has become the source for recumbent bicyle
information in the world today.
SUBSCRIPTION INFORMATION
RECUMBENT CYCLIST MAGAZINE
17560-B6-140th Ave SE, Ste 341
Renton WA 98058
__$2 Info-Pak/recumbent manufacturer list
__$5 Current sample issue with info-pak/list
__$20 USA Bulk Mail Subscription
__$25 USA First Class Mail Subscription Rush Service
__$30 Canada Air Mail
__$35 Worldwide Air Mail (USA funds) (anywhere outside USA/CAN)
__$50 Junior Supporter (includes 3 copies of each issue, mailed first
class
__$100 RBCA Supporter (includes 10 copies of each issue mailed Priority)
BACK ISSUE ORDERING INFO
-Back issues are mailed 3rd class postage. (allow 4 weeks for delivery.)
-First Class Mail/Rush Service - add $.50 per issue.
-Canadian Air Mail/Rush Service - add $1.00 per issue.
-Worldwide Air Mail - add $2.00 per issue.
-Super-Rush Service? We can do FEDEX overnight C.O.D.
$4.00 __RC#2 Flevo & CSPC "Poor Man's Composite"
$4.00 __RC#3 DH5000 LWB Road Test
$4.00 __RC#4 Ryan Vanguard Road Test/F-40/Flevo
$4.00 __RC#5 Linear LWB Road Test/Omega HPV/HPV Design Info
$4.50 __RC#6 Easy Racer Road Test
$4.50 __RC#7 Lightning P-38 Road Test
$4.50 __RC#8 1992 Recumbent Buyers Guide
$4.50 __RC#9 A.T.P. R-20 SWB Road Test
$4.50 __RC#10 Thebis Trike Road Test
$4.50 __RC#11 Counterpoint Presto Road Test
$4.50 __RC#12 Rans Road Test (available 9/92)
$4.50 __RC#13 Trice Road Test (Available 11/92)
$4.50 __RC#14 (Available 1/93)
$4.50 __RC#14 (Available 3/93)
$4.50 __RC#15 (Available 5/93)
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Buying a Bike
One thing to decide before buying a bike is what type to buy. Here's a
brief list:
Road bike Once known as a "ten-speed", most are now 12 or 14 (or even
16) speed. There are several sub-types: racing, sport,
and touring, the difference mostly in frame geometry.
ATB All-terrain bike, also known as mountain bike. Great for
riding in the dirt, these bikes usually have fat, knobby
tires for traction in dirt and gravel.
Hybrid A bike that borrows from road bikes and ATBs. For example,
they have the light frame and 700c wheels of road bikes and
fat knobby tires, triple cranks, wide-range derailleurs,
flat handlebars and cantilever brakes from mountain bikes.
Bike buying hints
When you're ready to buy a bike, you should first decide what you want
to use the bike for. Do you want to race? Do you want to pedal along
leisurely? Do you want to ride in the dirt?
Next, you should decide on a price range. Plan to spend at least
$350 for a decent quality bike.
Now find a good bike shop. Ask friends who bike. Ask us here on the
net. Chances are, someone here lives in your area and can recommend
a shop.
Now that you are ready to look for a bike, visit the shop(s) you have
selected. Test ride several bikes in your price range. How does it
feel? Does it fit you? How does it shift? Does it have the features
you are looking for? How do the shop personnel treat you? Remember
that the shop gets the bike disassembled and has to spend a couple of
hours putting it together and adjusting things, so look for sloppy
work (If you see some, you may want to try another shop). You might
want to try a bike above your price range to see what the differences
are (ask the salesperson).
Ask lots of questions - pick the salesperson's brain. If you don't
ask questions, they may recommend a bike that's not quite right
for you. Ask about places to ride, clubs, how to take care of your
bike, warranties, etc. Good shops will have knowledgable people
who can answer your questions. Some shops have free or low-cost
classes on bike maintenance; go and learn about how to fix a flat,
adjust the brakes and derailleurs, overhaul your bike, etc.
Ask your questions here - there are lots of people here just waiting
for an excuse to post!
Make sure that the bike fits you. If you don't, you may find that
you'll be sore in places you never knew could be so sore. For road
bikes, you should be able to straddle the top tube with your feet flat
on the ground and still have about 1 inch of clearance. For mountain
bikes, give yourself at least 2-3 inches of clearance. You may need
a longer or shorter stem or cranks depending on your build - most
bikes are setup for "average" bodies. The bike shop can help you
with adjustments to the handlebars and seat.
Now that you've decided on a bike, you need some accessories. You
should consider buying
a helmet
a frame pump
a tube repair kit
tire levers (plastic)
a pressure gauge
a seat pack (for repair kit, wallet, keys, etc)
gloves
a water bottle and cage
a lock
The shop can help you select these items and install them on your bike.
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Tech
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Technical Support Numbers (Joshua Putnam Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com)
[This list is now in the ftp archives as it is too long to put here]
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Ball Bearing Grades (Bill Codding peda@simplicity.Stanford.EDU)
(Harry Phinney harry@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com)
Following is a description of the different grades of ball bearings.
The grade specifies the sphericity of the balls in millionths of an inch.
Thus, grade 25 are round to 25/10^6, while grade 1000 are good to 1/1000
(i.e. not all that round, but probably good enough for our uses).
Grade 25: the highest quality normally available, aka
"Campagnolo quality": hardened all the way through, best
alloys, coatings, roundness, and durability. Evidently,
a recent bottom-bracket overhaul article in "Bicycling Plus
Mountain Bike" magazine recommended these. Campy's tech reps
claim that the bearings in a set (usually in a little paper bag)
are matched. One should not mix bearings from different sets.
Grade 200: mid-range
Grade 1000: seems to be the lowest, may only be surface
hardened.
Good sources for ball bearings:
Your local bike shop (make sure you're getting the grade you want)
Bike Parts Pacific
Bike Nashbar 1-800-NASHBAR ($1-$3 per 100 Grade 25)
The Third Hand 1-916-926-2600 ($4-$7 per 100 Grade 25)
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SIS Cable Info (Jobst Brandt jobst_brandt%40@hp1900.desk.hp.com)
After Joe Gorin described the SIS "non-compressive" cable housing to
me I got myself a sample to understand what the difference is. I
believe "non-compressive" is a misnomer. This cable housing is NOT
non-compressive but rather a constant length housing. As far as I can
determine, and from reports from bike shops, this housing should not
be used for brakes because it is relatively weak in compression, the
principal stress for brake housing.
SIS housing is made of 18 strands of 0.5mm diameter round spring steel
wire wrapped in a 100mm period helix around a 2.5mm plastic tube. The
assembly is held together by a 5mm OD plastic housing to make a
relatively stiff cable housing. Because the structural wires lie in a
helix, the housing length remains constant when bent in a curve. Each
strand of the housing lies both on the inside and outside of the curve
so on the average the wire path length remains constant, as does the
housing centerline where the control cable resides. Hence, no length
change. A brake cable housing, in contrast, changes length with
curvature because only the inside of the curve remains at constant
length while the outside (and centerline) expands.
Shimano recommends this cable only for shift control but makes no
special effort to warn against the danger of its use for brakes. It
should not be used for anything other than shift cables because SIS
housing cannot safely withstand compression. Its wires stand on end
and have no compressive strength without the stiff plastic housing
that holds them together. They aren't even curved wires, so they
splay out when the outer shield is removed. Under continuous high
load of braking, the plastic outer housing can burst leaving no
support. Besides, in its current design it is only half as flexible
as brake cable because its outer shell is made of structurally stiff
plastic unlike the brake cable housing that uses a soft vinyl coating.
Because brake cables transmit force rather than position, SIS cable,
even if safe, would have no benefit. In contrast, with handlebar
controls to give precise shift positioning, SIS housing can offer some
advantage since the cable must move though steering angles. SIS
housing has no benefit for downtube attached shifters because the
cable bends do not change.
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Milk Jug Mud Flaps (Chuck Tryon bilbo@bisco.kodak.com)
Actually, I have used plastic like this (or in my case, some
red plastic from a cheap note book cover -- it's heavier) to extend the
bottom (rear) end of the front fender. The Zephals are good, but they
don't stop the splash from where the tire hits the road from getting on my
feet. What I did was cut a small triangle about 3in (~7cm) wide by 6in
(~15cm) long, cut a hole in the top of it and the bottom end of the fender,
and use a pop-rivet (with washers to prevent tear out) to attach it. On a
road bike, it should be end up being within a few inches of the road. ATB's
will need more clearance, so this won't work well off road.
| |
| |
/| o |\ <----- rivet with washer on inside
| \___/ |
/ \ <---- flap fits inside of the fender, and follows the
| | curve, which gives it some stiffness.
| |
| |
\_________/
| |
| | <----- bottom of tire
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Lubricating Chains
Lubricating chains is a somewhat religious issue. Some advocate oil,
some Teflon-base lubricants, some paraffin wax. The net majority favors
a lubricant that does not leave an oily coating on the chain that can
attract dirt, which will hasten chain/chainring/freewheel sprocket wear.
If you want to use paraffin wax, make sure you melt the wax in a double
boiler! Failure to do so can lead to a fire. You can use a coffee
can in a pan of boiling water if you don't want to mess up good cookware.
After the wax has melted, put the chain in the wax and simmer for 10
minutes or so. Remove the chain, hang it up, and wipe the excess wax
off. Let it cool and reinstall on your bike.
When using a liquid lubricant, you want to get the lube onto the pins
inside the rollers on the chains, not on the outside where it does little
good. Oilers with the narrow tubes are good for this because you can put
the lube where you want it. Work the oil into the chain after applying
it, wipe the chain off, and reinstall on your bike.
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Wear and Gear Slippage (Jobst Brandt jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com)
There seems to be a lot of speculation on what makes chains wear and
how to lubricate a chain. There are a number of ways to take care of
a chain. Of these, some traditional methods are the most damaging to
chain life and others work to prolong life.
As was mentioned on the net, chains don't stretch in the sense that
the metal elongates, but the parts wear. Wear in the pins and sleeves
change the length of the chain as the pins fit more loosely. The wear
arises primarily from road grit that enters the chain when it is
oiled. Grit on the outside of a chain is the ugly black stuff that
gets on your leg. This dirt has no effect on chain function because
it can't get inside to do damage. Only when a dirty chain is oiled
does this grit get to the place where it can cause damage. Note that
commercial abrasive grinding paste is made of oil and silicon dioxide
(sand) and silicon carbide (sand). You couldn't do a better job if
you tried to destroy a chain than to oil a road dirt (previously
oiled) encrusted chain.
Primitive rule #1: Never oil a chain on the bike.
This means you should clean the grit off the chain before oiling it.
Because this is essentially impossible without submerging the chain in
a solvent bath (kerosene or commercial solvent), you must take the
chain off the bike. The fine grit can only be removed from the
interior of the chain in liquid suspension. A good example of this
can be seen by using a Vetta (on the bike) chain cleaner and
subsequently cleaning the same chain in a solvent bath. The best grit
remains until last and there's plenty of it. Of course it isn't
always possible to remove a chain and there are times (in the rain)
when a chain screams for oil when a good cleaning is not an option.
Removing the solvent from the chain after the rinse is important.
Compressed air is not readily available in the household nor is a
centrifuge. You can go outdoors and sling the chain around. This
works best if the chain is a closed loop. You don't have to press the
pin completely in for this. The other way is to evaporate it. You
should probably avoid accelerated drying methods because they could be
explosive.
The hot gear lube method works but it also acts as efficient fly
paper, collecting plenty of grime between cogs. Motor oil is good but
motorcycle chain lubricants are better because they have volatile
solvents that allow good penetration for their relatively viscous
lubricant. Paraffin works poorly because it is not mobile and cannot
replenish the bearing surface once it has been displaced.
Sedisport
The Sedisport chain, although the strongest and one of the lightest
chains, achieves its light weight at the expense of durability. This
chain has no sleeve that on most roller chains supports the roller on
its outside and furnishes the bearing for the pin on the inside.
Normally the inside of the sleeve is well protected against lubricant
depletion because both ends are covered by closely fitting side
plates. In the Sedisport there is no sleeve and the formed side
plates support the roller and pin with a substantial central gap. In
the wet, lubricant is quickly washed out of pin and roller and the
inferior bearing for the pin and roller often gall and bind. In good
weather this may not be a problem. Because this chain has feet of
clay in the wet, Sedis re-introduced their earlier 5 element
conventional chain, calling it a "chain for all seasons".
The lightweight Regina chain goes one step farther and omits the pin,
leaving the side plates to hinge directly on the sleeve. This gives
them a knife edge bearing area that galls at the slightest lube
depletion.
Chain Life
This is almost entirely a cleanliness and lubrication question rather
than a load problem. The effect of load variations is insignificant
when compared to the lube and grit effects for bicycles. The primary
chains on motorcycles are operated under clean conditions and last
years while the exposed rear chains must be replaced often.
The only way to test whether a chain is worn is by measurement. The
chain has a half inch pitch and, when new, has a pin at exactly every
half inch. As the pins and sleeves wear this spacing increases and
becomes damaging to sprockets. When the chain pitch grows over one
half percent it is time for a new chain. At one percent chainring
damage progresses rapidly. By holding a ruler along the chain on your
bike, align an inch mark with a pin and see how far off the mark the
pin is at twelve inches. An eighth of an inch (0.125) is the ten
percent limit while more than a sixteenth is a prudent time to get a
new chain.
Skipping Chain
When you put on a new chain, its pitch is exactly one half inch. A
sprocket, worn by a longer pitch (worn) chain, has hooked teeth. The
hooked profile is formed by the rollers of a worn chain as they exit
the sprocket under load. Rollers of a new chain with correct pitch
exit under no load because the load is transferred to the next roller
before disengagement. However, with hooked sprockets the new chain
cannot engage under load because the pitch is too small to get over
the hook and into the pocket. These differences are only a few
thousandths of an inch but that is enough to prevent engagement when
the previous roller is fully engaged.
As a chain wears it concentrates more of its load on the last tooth of
a sprocket before disengagement because its pitch no longer matches
the pitch of the sprocket. This effect sometimes breaks off sprocket
teeth. The load concentration on the sprocket also accelerates wear
and is another reason to replace a chain at 1/16th inch wear.
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Adjusting Chain Length (Bob Fishell spike@cbnewsd.att.com)
For all Shimano SIS and Hyperglide systems, the chain is sized by shifting to
the smallest rear cog and the largest front sprocket, then sizing the
chain so that the derailleur pulleys are on a vertical line, or as close
as you can get to it. Note that this will result in the same chain length
for any freewheel within the capacity of the derailleur, so it usually is
not necessary to re-size the chain for a different cogset with these systems.
The other rule I've used (friction systems) involves shifting to the largest
chainring and the largest rear cog, then sizing the chain so that the pulleys
are at a 45 degree angle to the ground.
The rules probably vary from derailleur to derailleur. In general,
you may use the capacity of the rear derailleur cage as a guideline. You
want the chain short enough so the cage can take up the slack in the
smallest combination of chainwheel and rear cog you will use. The chain
must also be long enough so that the cage still has some travel in the
largest combination you will use.
For example, if you have a 42x52 crank and a 13x21 freewheel, the smallest
combination you would use would be a 42/14 (assuming you don't use the
diagonal). If the cage can take up the slack in this combo, it's short enough.
If the cage has spring left when you are in the 52/19 combo (again, you are
not using the diagonal), it's long enough.
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Hyperglide chains (Mark Chandler chandler@wc.novell.com)
For those of you that are tired of dealing with Shimano's
chains with the special pins, I've found that the following
chains work well with Shimano Hyperglide gearing systems:
DID SuperShift
Sedis ATB
Union 800
Union 915
The SuperShift is probably the best performer of the bunch,
followed by the ATB and 915. The 800 doesn't do too well
with narrow cogsets (i.e., 8-speeds) because the raised
elliptical bumps on the side-plates tend to rub on the adjacent
cogs.
I've also found that these chains work well on SunTour systems.
The 915, however, works better on PowerFlo cogs than it does
on regular (AccuShift) cogs (where it tends to slip when shifting).
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Cranks and Bottom Brackets
Bottom Bracket Info (Jobst Brandt jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com)
The four kinds of BB threads in common use today are Italian, British,
French, and Swiss, possibly in that order of occurrence.
Diameter Pitch Right Left Cup
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Italian 36mm x 24F tpi right right tpi (threads per inch)
British 1.370" x 24F tpi left right
French 35mm x 1mm right right
Swiss 35mm x 1mm left right
Unless there is something wrong with the right hand cup it should not be
removed but should be wiped clean and greased from the left side. The
thread type is usually marked on the face of both left and right cups.
Swiss threads are rare but if you have one it is good to know before
attempting removal.
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Crank noises (Phil Etheridge phil@massey.ac.nz)
I've had the creaky crank problem on every bike I've owned which has
had cotterless cranks. Until now, I've never known a good solution to
the problem.
One suggestion I had was to replace the crank, but that wasn't
something I was prepared to do on 1 month old bike under warranty.
The shop mechanic spent half an hour with me and my bike sorting it
out. Tightening the crank bolts and pedal spindle (i.e. onto the
crank) didn't help (as Jobst will tell you).
Removing each crank, smearing the spindle with grease and replacing
the crank eliminated most of the noise. Removing each pedal, smearing
grease on the thread and replacing it got rid of the rest of the
noise.
Greasing the pedal threads is a new one on me, but it makes a lot of
sense, since they are steel and the crank aluminum. I thought it was
worth relating this story, as creaky cranks seems to be quite a common
problem.